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Topic: Grinding tool for steel?Posted: January/15/12 at 2:05am |
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Hi - I need some help from some of you machinery/tool people.
In preparation for my performance head installation, and the Jan tunes this Friday Saturday (woohoo!) I need to port match the ports (widen the holes) for my Miltek exhaust manifold. My disc grinder is too big to fit into the little holes - what tools do I need to do this? I watched a bunch of videos on Youtube for some tips, but they all dealt with aluminum intake manifolds or cylinder heads. Grinding tools cut through aluminum like it's butter. What tools do I need for steel? Any specific names or descriptions so I can ask for them by name? I have a high speed drill and a dremel style cutoff tool. I just need to know what bits I need and what they look like. Thanks,
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Posted: January/15/12 at 2:51am |
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Kurt if you had a high speed pneumatic grinder I would suggest a 1/4 inch tree, ball and straight cut bits. With that said we need to look at reality, if all you have is a dremel tool you can do it with a carbide tool like this http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=9910
With the dremel it will cut just fine but you need take it easy, light soft cuts, you try and hog it out you will load the bit and snap it, to gasket match with these tools Kurt I would give yourself all day and take your time and not get in a hurry. If time is a problem I would run down to a local shop and have them do it , it should take them about an hour. You might also shoot Zippy a email and see if he can help He is over in Ferndale and should be able to help. Sorry I am not closer to help, the fact is this is a dieing art and there is a little more to it then just grinding things out. If you choose to do this your self Kurt take it slow because the equipment you would be using will snap really easy, I would pick up about 4 bits since you have never done this. John Edited by johnf36 - January/15/12 at 2:54am |
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Posted: January/15/12 at 2:55am |
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Thanks John. I knew you would respond. :-)
I've done fair amounts of various other metal work and I'm sure I'll figure it out. Good idea to buy several. Hopefully the tool you referenced is readily available at NAPA or somewhere? Regarding high speed pneumatic grinder - is that something they would have reasonably at harbor freight? I'm a firm believer of 'right tool for the right job' ... these tools always come in handy for some other future job... |
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Posted: January/15/12 at 6:32am |
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A die grinder, the Dremel being a small die grinder, should work. I get bits ship[ped to me in the internet but Tacoma Screw might have them as well as Fastenal. Harbor Freight has die grinders. One of mine came from them. Inexpensive and should hold up for that small job. If you were on this side of the pond you could use mine, but not sure what bits I still have left...
Wear safety glasses! The standard die grinders really throw small sharp chips. Edited by SMOG - January/15/12 at 6:35am |
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Posted: January/15/12 at 11:53am |
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The dremel bits can be found at ace, home depot ,lowes even walmart use to have them , they usually only have one style of carbide bit.
Yes harbor freight has a cheap little grinder set that I believe you can get with 4 bits. The problem with these tools is you eat alot of air so if you compressor will run a DA sander you will be good other wise you could be sitting around waiting for it to catch up. If you go that route keep in mind these tools are made to remove stuff fast. Looks like they sell an electric one now, but no carbide cutting bits for a die grinder. You can use grinding stones but it is messy. Edited by johnf36 - January/15/12 at 12:20pm |
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Posted: January/15/12 at 12:26pm |
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Think electric die grinder from Harbor Freight... I have been using burr bits, conical and barrel bits for my millwaukee electric die grinder for years. You just have to hang on tight and be careful with the thing. I was making working models of cannons in the 40mm range.
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Posted: January/15/12 at 1:12pm |
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Ok. I guess I will look at Home Depot or McLendon's hardware and see how it goes.
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Posted: January/15/12 at 1:21pm |
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Your welcome Kurt, sorry I am not closer we could get this done real quick. A tip you might get some spray on blue, that way you can lay the gasket/ template on spray it scribe it and then remove the gasket and it will be easy to see were you are grinding to.
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Posted: January/15/12 at 1:23pm |
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Thats a good tip John!
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Posted: January/15/12 at 1:26pm |
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I have a 20gallon air tank with a 4CFM @ 60PSI pump. (or so it says).
I was going to use a black magic marker. If that doesn't work I'll get some dye. I'll try the home depot bit first - if it looks like I'm going to be there all day, maybe I will consider going to Harbor Freight. But it's like 40 minutes away, each direction, so probably faster to just stick with it...
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Posted: January/15/12 at 1:31pm |
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I find it interesting your getting a cast steel head and not aluminum. Must have went that direction because of boost pressure and warpage.
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Posted: January/15/12 at 3:23pm |
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Thanks guys. I picked up an angle die grinder and a couple bits at McLendon. A little more costly than Harbor Freight but a lot closer and more convenient.
John - It's a regular aluminum head. I need to port match the exhaust manifold, not the head.
The head is a RMW head - Jan said that I should match the ports on my header or it will impact performance. |
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Posted: January/15/12 at 4:09pm |
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Got ya, normally I will use the gasket against the head to see what my hole size is so that way when I move over to the exhaust side I know where I am at all you want to do is have a nice transition into the pipe you don't want to be undercutting to far into where the pipe is attached by the weld to the manifold faceplate. If your miltek is SS run the tool on the slower side as not to ruin your bit, heat kills with SS. You might also look at the intake runners and even out the ports on that side to match the intake gasket.
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Posted: January/15/12 at 4:12pm |
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I should use some oil to keep the cutting tool cool too, I presume? If I'm lucky the Miltek will already have oversized ports and I'll just need to do a little dressing to get a smooth airflow.
When all this is done the bottleneck in this engine is probably going to be the intake manifold and throttle body... |
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Posted: January/15/12 at 5:28pm |
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You really don't need to, you will find med speed with some pressure will cut fine, running it fast won't cut faster just dull the tool but a little wd40 would hurt
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Posted: January/18/12 at 5:19pm |
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I have the head off and I am using the tool with the grinder set to 90hp, which is the specified pressure for the die grinder. It is working pretty good, but on the rounded edges I am getting a lot of chatter.
I worked for about an hour and I guess I am a little more than half way through. I had to pause several times to let the air compressor take a break. It does a pretty good job of keeping up, but it gets hot and I doubt it has a duty cycle much longer than 15 minutes. I haven't broken the bit yet. I would have been here for days without air power... |
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Posted: January/18/12 at 6:41pm |
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Sorry I am late Kurt, if you got a cutter with a ball end use the tip to cut in the corners
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Posted: January/18/12 at 7:52pm |
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All done. I figured out the right balance between speed and pressure and cutting angle. I used the tip (not the very end) to get into the corners.
I just put the head back on. Everything else is still in pieces. I'll post a photo later. |
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Posted: January/18/12 at 8:03pm |
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You got it, I didn't mean the end end just the end 1/3. That's way it's nice to have both a tree and straight cut, can't wait for the pics. How was the intake side
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Posted: January/20/12 at 6:14pm |
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The roads were not as bad today and I was able to tell the performance gain of the new cylinder head. Below 2500RPM or so, it feels about the same as before. At 3000rpm, I definitely can tell a difference. I can feel a lot more power at about 5000rpm. I didn't try going past 5000rpm due to lack of traction. But There is definitely an extra 10 or maybe even 20HP. I am a bit concerned that my clutch could be slipping under this much power. We'll see. Too early to have any conclusions about fuel economy, but based on today's drive, it seems to be 1-2mpg better than before.
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Posted: January/20/12 at 7:46pm |
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Good job! That added HP plus a boost in MPG
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Posted: January/21/12 at 4:20pm |
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Oh, I forgot. All of this test driving was with wife and kids in the car. The performance should feel even better when I lose the extra weight. :-)
It might be my imagination, but it sort of feels like larger valves is resulting in a tiny bit less power from idle up to around 2000 rpm. I'll know for sure once these roads dry out and I can test.
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Posted: January/21/12 at 7:56pm |
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That might be where a Tune could make a difference.
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